Missile Spam + MGCs providing updates to missiles in flight + TD affecting missiles

against range scripts yes... but for close range setups damps wont cut it.

What i would propose...is this

Currently Caldari have only one form of ewar and that is ECM.

ECM is very strong because of this. I would nerf ECM so that it only breaks the lock and remove the targeting delay penalty (think of target spectrum breaker)

This would then open Caldari to a second type of ewar which IMO should be the EQ of TD but for Missiles.

Which is precisely why they should nerf the base stats on TDs, and then do a counterbalancing buff on TD boats. This would essentially be doing to TD boats what was done to ECM boats years ago. Make them desired ships to have in fleets. It should also be done for damp and painter boats as well. Currently the only ewar mods that don't function worth a crap on non bonused hulls are ecm modules. That was entirely to bury the ecm of doom fitting regimen.


Yeah it wouldn't make sense to have ecm be antimissile ewar. However, as much as it would make lore sense to do it to damps, damps and damp usage are already rather strong.

Having TDs affect missiles would be consistent with lore now that Minmatar has a missile boat line of ships. And as long as the TDs themselves get a base stat nerf, the ecm module treatment, TDs will not become the new multispecs of doom.

This is also why I proposed in a thread a couple months ago that painters be given a secondary anti drone effect. The lore would make sense in that Amarr now has a comprehensive line of drone boats. The technobabble explanation could be that being painted causes a lot of em communication interference between a host ship and its drones. Thus the drone control range could receive a hit. This would address a lot of the nano sentry Ishtar complaints. As long as the effect is slight enough it would necessitate some further fitting and rig choices on drone boats.

Indeed. Can you imagine what a Nemesis with 3 of these puppies, scripted for damage application and overheated on all modules, would do?

I know there could be stacking penalties -- so let's say 2 of them plus a target painter. Absolutely beautiful.

I meant brutal. Absolutely brutal.

Hull bonuses are, or rather - stack as a hardener (taking the resist ones as an example). Stick an invuln on a worm, for example. You would expect an EM resist of 20% (hull) + 30% (Single invuln) but you get 44%.

The same, first hardener on a non resist bonused hull gives 30% EM resist.


So I'm worried these mods will stack with CNR/phoon/golem/etc/etc ship hull bonuses right out the door. It's unclear.

it is called defender missiles.

A Comprehensive Missile Balance Package
(In addition to the proposed Aegis changes.)

Remove Kinetic Pigeon Holes
GÇó Condor gets a +10% damage bonus to rockets and light missiles
GÇó Buzzard gets a +5% damage bonus to rockets and light missiles
GÇó Hookbill gets a +20% damage bonus to rockets and light missiles
GÇó Hawk gets a 10% damage bonus to rockets and light missiles
GÇó Corax gets a +5% damage bonus to rockets and light missiles
GÇó Flycatcher gets a +10% damage bonus to rockets and light missiles
GÇó Cerberus gets a +5% damage bonus to light, heavy and heavy assault missiles
GÇó Onyx gets a +5% damage bonus to light, heavy and heavy assault missiles
GÇó Rook gets a +7.5% damage bonus to light, heavy and heavy assault missiles
GÇó Navy Osprey gets a +10% damage bonus to light, heavy and heavy assault missiles
GÇó Drake gets a +5% rate of fire bonus to heavy and heavy assault missiles (it's already benefiting from the 5% heavy missile buff); this makes it comparable to the Raven in terms of relationship between Battlecruisers and Battleships.
GÇó Nighthawk gets a +7.5% damage bonus to heavy and heavy assault missiles
GÇó Tengu Accelerated Ejection subsystem gets a +5% missile damage bonus

Nerf Light Missiles; Buff Rockets; Buff Heavy Missiles; Buff Torpedoes; Buff Heavy Assault Missiles
GÇó Swap the explosion velocity bonus between rockets (+20m/sec) and light missiles (-20m/sec)
GÇó In addition to the 5% damage buff to heavy missiles, decrease the explosion radius on all heavy missiles by -5m and increase the explosion radius on all heavy missiles by +10m/sec.
GÇó All torpedoes receive a -33% reduction in explosion radius (which gives them slightly better damage application over cruise missiles)
GÇó All heavy assault missiles receive a +20% increase to explosion velocity and -5m reduction in explosion radius

Nerf Bomber Capacity
GÇó Reduce cargo capacity by 50-100m3 (torpedoes just received a huge volume reduction and their damage application is increasing quite significantly)

New Faction Missile Modules
GÇó Mordu's Legion Ballistic Control System: 15% missile ROF, 7.5% missile damage
GÇó Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System (updated): 12.5% missile ROF, 10% missile damage
GÇó Mordu's Legion Missile Guidance Enhancer: 5% explosion velocity, 5% explosion radius, 15% missile velocity, -15% missile flight time
GÇó Caldari Navy Missile Guidance Computer: 7.5% explosion radius, 7.5% explosion velocity, 7.5% missile velocity, 7.5% missile flight time
GÇó Republic Fleet Missile Guidance Computer: 7.5% explosion radius, 7.5% explosion velocity, 7.5% missile velocity, 7.5% missile flight time
(At least the addition of Faction modules will offset the recent MGC/MGE 'nerf'.)

Mordus Legion Ship Changes
GÇó All missile damage bonuses for Mordu's Legion ships change to ROF bonuses. This results in a slight nerf to the Orthrus when utilizing RLMLs and a slight buff to the Barghest when utilizing torpedoes or cruise missiles.

Missile Naga
GÇó The Naga gets reverted back to a missile Battlecruiser (yes, it was a missile behemoth to begin with): 5% torpedo and cruise missile damage and 10% missile velocity per level.

This is a great suggestion, and might make balancing these variables easier, instead of tying them together.

Did everyone forget that devblog where the mentioned they were going to add (penalties) to ALL rigs as they reviewed them?

Stacking penalties were an inevitability based on that public statement.

Good. Less EHP = more stuff dies.

I am consolidating feedback from this thread and presenting it in some bullet points to CCP. I hope to get as much of this addressed as possible.

Primarily:
-Address fits that relied on application modules before stacking penalties nerfed them
-Make mid slot application modules competitive with TPs and/or application rigs
-Make low slot application modules significant enough that stacking penalties don't wipe out their bonus
-Biggest concerns are for larger missiles that rely on application bonuses
-Range bonuses are generally okay now

Let me know how that sounds at the top level or if I missed something global.

Not always needed or useful but it makes sense for them to not work as well as TPs, otherwise there'd be no reason to use those.

...but instead decreases time to target

Well to answer that we have to have a readit or facetwitter and thumble account, since the CCP dev no longer talk to us one here. The forums are dead.

Well, that might address the issue, or it may make it more prevalent.
If it's tied to grouping then yes, but it's tied to server ticks or something like that, it'll happen more often.

Yawn... Here's a thread from 2010: Golem pilots/Raven pilots - Torp glitch?

I did some testing prior to that and wierdness happens to missiles at the edge of the range. Also, don't forget that missiles take time to accelerate. The in-game display may or may not take acceleration time into account, i.e. The Big Ninetails Thread of Useful FormulaeGäó -> TRUE Missile Range.


edit: Ah yes, good times, good times: http://eve-search.com/thread/1307419-0